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HTML 5 or HTML 4

Postby Medli » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:27 pm

I've noticed everyone has started to make their websites responsive. I know responsive websites use divs more than anything. Is everyone still using HTML4 with divs or has any tried migrating over to HTML5 where div="header" becomes just<header>. Just curious since I am not sure how to use HTML5 with a responsive layout. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Re: HTML 5 or HTML 4

Postby sugarplum » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:07 pm

I went from HTML 4,01, to XHTML, to HTML 5. HTML 5 is a new standard and while people are still working on it, I think it's the ideal web design language right now since the other web languages are becoming obsolete. I haven't started using a lot of the unique tags though. Most of the responsiveness of the layout comes from meta tags and how you apply CSS. Google has a good article about it.

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Re: HTML 5 or HTML 4

Postby Ren » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:50 pm

I love responsive sites, because I like to browse from my mobile phone while working or sleeping around :lol: I've only applied html5 in one of my sites though (+1 shrine still on upcoming). this is a pretty basic stuff to start with! bootstrap looks too complicated for me, so i give up on that one lol :)
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Re: HTML 5 or HTML 4

Postby Sophia » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:58 am

-eats up these articles-

I'm always terrible at designing for mobile (or really any contingency beyond my specific browser / resolution size) -- I literally figured out how to use the media tag this week.

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Re: HTML 5 or HTML 4

Postby Robin » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:49 am

lmao I have tried and tried to learn HTML 5 and my brain is like "hmmmmmm... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ nOPE! ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ " So I'm still piddling around with HTML 4.01 or whatever it was when I first got into design back in the early 2000s, LOL! I know I should take time to learn it, but webdev is very hard for me to learn on my own >_<

In terms of responsive design, I'm of two minds. I like it because I'm so much more often browsing on my phone these days, and it's just the way the world's going--so much easier to browse on the phone rather than get out the whole big laptop, wait for it to boot up, etc. But on the other hand, I hate responsive design because all the frameworks out there make everything look so boxy and samey on a desktop size screen. It's like all the originality we used to put into our layouts is scrapped out in favor of responsiveness, and scaling up just means everything looks BIGGER and not necessarily BETTER. I mean, I definitely like minimalism and user-friendliness, but I also want the freedom to put the navigation and content where I want it, too, you know? Agh I love them ole side by side layouts that I still roll with because #noshame, but those don't translate well to tiny screens ;_; .... *continues muttering, shakes cane at internet* xD
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Re: HTML 5 or HTML 4

Postby Masao » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:06 pm

Well, the nice thing about responsive design is that it's based on CSS media queries, and not necessarily on CSS Frameworks, so you don't need to use any frameworks if you don't like how restrictive they can be, because I do agree they tend to follow simple styles that don't encourage out of the box type layouts. CSS Frameworks are just nice for a shortcut into responsive design without doing too much coding on your own.

As for HTML5, the only real difference is the additional html tags and some of the document header declarations. The more consistent nature of HTML5 is probably my favorite aspect.
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Re: HTML 5 or HTML 4

Postby Robin » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:02 pm

@Masao I tried making a straight up responsive layout with no frameworks a few years ago, but I got frustrated with it and quit. #storyofmylife lmao! Maybe I will poke around with it again one day. I know Bootstrap pretty well, at least, and the copy-paste layout framework I have up on my domain works well and is pretty :)

Ooo I've seen some of those HTML5 tags in the wild--I'm still not quite sure how some of them work with other elements of a page, though, like how far down a div might get bumped by a figure tag. I have used the progress and audio tags though...maybe I'd be better at it than I think. One thing, though: I remember back in XHTML days there was something about using proper "valid" tags. You had to put in slashes at the end of regular tags, like <img /> and <br />, which blew my mind--I was like "fuuuuuuuuu you mean I have to go back and recode EVERY SITE I HAVE to be considered 'valid' WUTTTT nope bye!" I was thinking HTML5 was similarly strict with code but that might have been just a rumor I heard, lol!
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